[C320-list] Winch Rebuild

[Tom Grass]

Thanks!

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 1:38 PM John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> If the springs and pawls are in good shape and they rotate back and forth
> like they need to do, there is no performance enhancement. What the pawls
> do is enable the winch drum to rotate in one direction only so that you do
> not wind up with an overwrap, which can be very difficult to undo. The
> other way in which an overwrap can occur, on our winches, is for the
> stripper ring to break, which I talked about below. The other big no no, is
> to put grease on the springs and pawls, what is required is a very light
> machine oil which will allow the pawls to rotate easily.
> JEM
> 1999#574
> > On Feb 18, 2019, at 1:35 PM, jackbrennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm wondering whether there is a performance difference in replacing
> springs and pawls that aren't broken. Or is it more preventive maintenance?
> > I passed on the kits after disassembling the winches and seeing that all
> appeared to be in good shape.
> > The machine oil made a ton of difference.
> > Jack BrennanSonas, 1998 Catalina 320, no. 528Tierra Verde, Fl.Dolphin
> Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:01 AM, John morrison<
> sail-ability at sympatico.ca> wrote:   I guess good preventive
> maintenance….All for the want of a horseshoe nail!!
> > The only thing that ever broke on my winches was the stripper ring on
> the 44 Self Tailing winches. this is a real bummer if you’re single
> handing! I carry a spare one now.
> > JEM
> >> On Feb 18, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Christian <ccaper at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Everything I've read said to service every year and to replace springs
> >> every service and inspect pawls, including the Crowley's winch rebuild
> >> class I took at Chicago sail show a few years ago.  When I finally got
> the
> >> time to service my winches after a year of owning, and not know previous
> >> owner's service history, I found 2 pawls with broken springs, and two
> >> others very rusted, on a Lake Michigan only operated boat.
> >>
> >> For the price of the spring, I just plan on replacing them every
> service.
> >> -Christian
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM John morrison <
> sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why are you replacing the pawl springs? I’ve never had one fail and the
> >>> boat is a 1999 which I’ve owned since 2010. I service the winches
> every 3
> >>> years since I sail on Lake Ontario in fresh water so no corrosion
> issues
> >>> here. I clean the pawls and springs and add a drop of 3in1 oil, no
> grease
> >>> here as those pawls need to be fast acting.
> >>> Cheers
> >>> JEM
> >>> 1999#574
> >>>> On Feb 18, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Christian <ccaper at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom,
> >>>> I rebuilt all 4 of mine last year.  I bought the rebuild kits from
> >>>> Defender.  The rebuild kit was defender item #608878 (
> >>>> https://search.defender.com/?expression=608878&x=0&y=0).  The grease
> is
> >>>> defender item #606875 (
> >>>> https://search.defender.com/?expression=606875&x=0&y=0).
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't know when my winches had last been rebuilt, so I replaced
> >>>> everything.  The rebuild kits will come with some plastic bushings, I
> >>> used
> >>>> them.  The kits are for more than the #44 and #30, but 4 of the kits
> got
> >>> me
> >>>> all the springs, pawls, and bushings you'll need.  I had to mix and
> match
> >>>> from all 4 kits to get the bushings correct for #44 vs #30, you will
> have
> >>>> some parts left over when done from the kits.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now that I know my winch service history, and the type of sailing I do
> >>> (non
> >>>> racing, short seasons on Lake Michigan), I plan to service every other
> >>>> year, replace springs every service, replace pawls every other service
> >>> (if
> >>>> visually they look ok when skipping).
> >>>>
> >>>> That tube of grease should last about 3 services.  Over greasing is
> not
> >>>> good.
> >>>>
> >>>> My two cents.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Christian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:59 AM Tom Grass <tgrass462 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tom Grass
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 6:55 AM Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If you're the kind who is prone to dropping things, you can take a
> box,
> >>>>>> cut a hole the size of the winch and set it over the winch during
> your
> >>>>>> assembly/disassembly.  Improves your chances of not dropping
> something
> >>>>>> would roll down the deck and off the boat.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Every.single.thing I drop on board, bounces until it finds the edge
> of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> boat and then jumps for freedom.  Doesn't seem to matter what it is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Jeff
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On
> Behalf Of
> >>>>>> Scott Lagerquist
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 12:19 AM
> >>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Winch Rebuild
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom and Tracy,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I clean and lubricate the winches every two years.  You can download
> >>>>>> instructions free from Lewmar.  I recommend one small tube of Lewmar
> >>>>> winch
> >>>>>> grease and getting a package of paw springs.  Defender sells these
> >>>>>> separately or as a kit.  The kit also has machine oil but I use
> >>> something
> >>>>>> local like 3-2-1.  You’ll also need a Large container of
> solvent,rags,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> an old tooth brush.  Disassemble and soak gears, bearings and other
> >>> metal
> >>>>>> parts in solvent.  Clean all old grease and dirt off each part with
> the
> >>>>>> toothbrush and wipe clean.  Everything should look new; this takes
> >>> time.
> >>>>>> Reassemble with new paw springs and lubricate as directed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Actually, there are several U-Tube videos that show all of this
> step by
> >>>>>> step.  Lewmar has a really good one.  Check them out if you haven’t
> >>>>> already
> >>>>>> done so.  Good luck.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Scott Lagerquist
> >>>>>> C-320, 1994, #39
> >>>>>> Sea Esta
> >>>>>> San Diego CA
> >>>>>> Lgrqst at aol.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Tom Grass <tgrass462 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am planning on rebuilding our four winches on Bucket List this
> >>>>> spring.
> >>>>>>> Our 320 MK II has:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Primaries #44 Lewmar - Two Winches
> >>>>>>> Halyard #30 Lewmar - Two Winches
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Question - have other 320 owners purchased rebuild kits (Springs,
> >>>>>>> Pawls,
> >>>>>>> etc.) - or have you simply removed and cleaned and reinstalled
> >>>>>> components?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> IF you purchased rebuild kits - did you source them from Defender?
> >>>>>>> West Marine?  Other?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Appreciate your assistance.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom & Tracy Grass
> >>>>>>> Bucket List
> >>>>>>> 2008 320 MK II
> >>>>>>> #1135
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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