[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4632, Issue 2
Richard Walker
dickwalker at att.net
Sun Apr 21 14:31:52 PDT 2024
On 687 it shuts down the entire AC system
Dick Walker
619.985.8105
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 14:12, Bob Hoyt via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> @Dave and Frank. Would a tripped GCFI outlet result in no AC current at the
> main cabin panel? I had thought that it only shut down the local outlet.
> I'll be sure to check those tomorrow.
> Bob
> Ikigai
> Hull #144
>
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>> 1. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2 (P.F. Ross)
>> 2. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2 (Dave Hupe)
>> 3. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2 (Dave Hupe)
>> 4. Re: Does your bilge pump suck (KEN GEIGER)
>> 5. Re: Does your bilge pump suck (KEN GEIGER)
>> 6. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2 (--Bill)
>> 7. Re: Does your bilge pump suck (Troy Dunn)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 07:12:54 -0500
>> From: "P.F. Ross" <pfrstl at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
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>> Scott, good thought regarding GFCI outlets.
>>
>> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe them, so
>> seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>>
>> Frank Ross
>> Beta Wave #206
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets. One
>>> located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
>>> Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove. Did not
>>> read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
>>>
>>> Sorry if duplicate reply.
>>> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, "P.F. Ross via C320-list"
>> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>, C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
>> Message-ID: <1154058506.1828337.1713704968149 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had no
>> power at a? remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one that
>> may have tripped.
>> This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
>>
>> Dave Hupe?
>> 1994? C320 #32
>>
>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
>> GFCI outlets.
>>
>> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe them, so
>> seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>>
>> Frank Ross
>> Beta Wave #206
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets. One
>>> located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
>>> Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.? Did not
>>> read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
>>>
>>> Sorry if duplicate reply.
>>> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, "P.F. Ross via C320-list"
>> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>, C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
>> Message-ID: <1154058506.1828337.1713704968149 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had no
>> power at a? remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one that
>> may have tripped.
>> This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
>>
>> Dave Hupe?
>> 1994? C320 #32
>>
>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
>> GFCI outlets.
>>
>> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe them, so
>> seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>>
>> Frank Ross
>> Beta Wave #206
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets. One
>>> located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
>>> Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.? Did not
>>> read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
>>>
>>> Sorry if duplicate reply.
>>> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:13:31 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
>> To: Dennis Cookson <dennis at cooksons.net>, "C320-List at catalina320.com"
>> <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Cc: Steven Snyder via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
>> Message-ID: <16283003.994363.1713708811810 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Regards an anti return valve, do not know for sure but I think not.?
>> Recall flow back when pump shuts off.
>> Ken? Geiger #765 2000
>>
>> Sent from AOL on Android
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:26 a.m., Dennis Cookson<dennis at cooksons.net>
>> wrote: Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the
>> UK.? Oddly, its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of
>> 13L/min compared to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for the
>> ParMax4. But I guess it?s a more reliable and proven design.? Quick
>> question - do you have a non-return valve fitted to the inlet hose at the
>> bilge?? I don?t and it is not mentioned in the installation instructions,
>> but it would clearly help to keep the system primed.
>>
>> Dennis Cookson
>> ?Catalina?? #0577
>>
>>> On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe my post was confusing.? The original pump 27202-0000 is
>> discontinued.? One might still find it in NOS.? BUT why buy a 20 year old
>> design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the modern
>> replacement.? And why not buy the original replacement instead of
>> reinventing the wheel.
>>> Ken Geiger#765
>>>
>>> Sent from AOL on Android
>>>
>>> ? On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Both Hodges Marine & Defender
>> have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
>>> indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
>>>
>>> Steve Snyder
>>> Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
>>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ? The original design 37202-0000 is out of production.? You might find
>> New
>>>> Old Stock somewhere in USA,? there is a new replacement part
>>>> 37202-2012.? ? Just google it.? Or rebuild your old pump easily with a
>> Kit
>>>> as I did.? google it.? Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge
>>>> Pump in Canada Binnacle.com,? looks like there is now a 7320-2-2024 new
>>>> model
>>>>
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt
>>>> ? |
>>>>
>>>> ? |
>>>>
>>>> Ken Geiger
>>>> #765
>>>>
>>>> ? ? On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis Cookson via
>>>> C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the UK, but
>> it?s
>>>> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally efficient
>> for
>>>> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis Cookson
>>>> ?Catalina? 0577
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the proper pump.? Exact replacement for the OE pump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not work
>>>> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Troy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:13:31 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
>> To: Dennis Cookson <dennis at cooksons.net>, "C320-List at catalina320.com"
>> <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Cc: Steven Snyder via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
>> Message-ID: <16283003.994363.1713708811810 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Regards an anti return valve, do not know for sure but I think not.?
>> Recall flow back when pump shuts off.
>> Ken? Geiger #765 2000
>>
>> Sent from AOL on Android
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:26 a.m., Dennis Cookson<dennis at cooksons.net>
>> wrote: Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the
>> UK.? Oddly, its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of
>> 13L/min compared to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for the
>> ParMax4. But I guess it?s a more reliable and proven design.? Quick
>> question - do you have a non-return valve fitted to the inlet hose at the
>> bilge?? I don?t and it is not mentioned in the installation instructions,
>> but it would clearly help to keep the system primed.
>>
>> Dennis Cookson
>> ?Catalina?? #0577
>>
>>> On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe my post was confusing.? The original pump 27202-0000 is
>> discontinued.? One might still find it in NOS.? BUT why buy a 20 year old
>> design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the modern
>> replacement.? And why not buy the original replacement instead of
>> reinventing the wheel.
>>> Ken Geiger#765
>>>
>>> Sent from AOL on Android
>>>
>>> ? On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Both Hodges Marine & Defender
>> have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
>>> indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
>>>
>>> Steve Snyder
>>> Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
>>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ? The original design 37202-0000 is out of production.? You might find
>> New
>>>> Old Stock somewhere in USA,? there is a new replacement part
>>>> 37202-2012.? ? Just google it.? Or rebuild your old pump easily with a
>> Kit
>>>> as I did.? google it.? Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge
>>>> Pump in Canada Binnacle.com,? looks like there is now a 7320-2-2024 new
>>>> model
>>>>
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt
>>>> ? |
>>>>
>>>> ? |
>>>>
>>>> Ken Geiger
>>>> #765
>>>>
>>>> ? ? On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis Cookson via
>>>> C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the UK, but
>> it?s
>>>> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally efficient
>> for
>>>> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis Cookson
>>>> ?Catalina? 0577
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the proper pump.? Exact replacement for the OE pump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not work
>>>> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Troy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:40:24 -0400
>> From: --Bill <ackermwi at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
>> Message-ID: <3542CF7E-EF60-489A-B90F-6C8E1353B2C0 at yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> I would recommend using a non-contact voltage detector (such as a NCV pen)
>> to try to isolate the problem location. Example:
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099SJ6469?psc=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_ct_0XB57K01T2J214D5615W&language=en_US
>> Using this you can see where the AC voltage stops. This should narrow
>> down the problem location. The AC cable might be covered with hard plastic
>> cable protection up to the main panel so you might need to open some of
>> this to get an accurate detection depending on the sensitivity of your NCV
>> tool.
>> I would definitely check after main inlet switch and both sides of the
>> panel breaker. If that is all good then GFCIs.
>> ?Bill Ackerman
>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 9:11?AM, Dave Hupe via C320-list <
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had no
>> power at a remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one that
>> may have tripped.
>>> This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
>>>
>>> Dave Hupe
>>> 1994 C320 #32
>>>
>>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
>> GFCI outlets.
>>>
>>> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe them,
>> so
>>> seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>>>
>>> Frank Ross
>>> Beta Wave #206
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
>>>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets. One
>>>> located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
>>>> Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove. Did
>> not
>>>> read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if duplicate reply.
>>>> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:11:05 -0400
>> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
>> Message-ID:
>> <CA+rGV8atiB4f2mACBfA1tQJ51URswgS669d_LDYY=
>> vasA-87Zw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Don?t install a non return valve, it could lead to more problems than it
>> solves.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Troy
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:27?AM Dennis Cookson via C320-list <
>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the UK.
>> Oddly,
>>> its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of 13L/min compared
>>> to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for the ParMax4. But I
>>> guess it?s a more reliable and proven design. Quick question - do you
>> have
>>> a non-return valve fitted to the inlet hose at the bilge? I don?t and it
>>> is not mentioned in the installation instructions, but it would clearly
>>> help to keep the system primed.
>>>
>>> Dennis Cookson
>>> ?Catalina? #0577
>>>
>>>> On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
>>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Maybe my post was confusing. The original pump 27202-0000 is
>>> discontinued. One might still find it in NOS. BUT why buy a 20 year old
>>> design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the modern
>>> replacement. And why not buy the original replacement instead of
>>> reinventing the wheel.
>>>> Ken Geiger#765
>>>>
>>>> Sent from AOL on Android
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
>>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Both Hodges Marine & Defender
>>> have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
>>>> indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Snyder
>>>> Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
>>>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The original design 37202-0000 is out of production. You might find
>>> New
>>>>> Old Stock somewhere in USA, there is a new replacement part
>>>>> 37202-2012. Just google it. Or rebuild your old pump easily with a
>>> Kit
>>>>> as I did. google it. Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge
>>>>> Pump in Canada Binnacle.com, looks like there is now a 7320-2-2024
>> new
>>>>> model
>>>>>
>>>>> |
>>>>> |
>>>>> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt
>>>>> |
>>>>>
>>>>> |
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken Geiger
>>>>> #765
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis Cookson
>> via
>>>>> C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the UK, but
>>> it?s
>>>>> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally efficient
>>> for
>>>>> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis Cookson
>>>>> ?Catalina? 0577
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the proper pump. Exact replacement for the OE pump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not work
>>>>> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4632, Issue 2
>> ******************************************
>>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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